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		<title>AFACT v iiNet: Judge Asked To Disregard iiNet Evidence</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The trial continues in the copyright infringement case of AFACT – representing several Hollywood studios – and Aussie ISP iiNet (links to our earlier coverage can be found here) and here. The case continued in the Federal Court, with AFACT continuing to make its closing submissions, marked by further attempts by barrister Tony Bannon to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/afact.jpg" alt="AFACT" align="right" />The trial continues in the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/copyright-infringement/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with copyright infringement">copyright infringement</a> case of <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> – representing several <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/hollywood-studios/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with hollywood studios">Hollywood studios</a> – and Aussie <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> iiNet (links to our earlier coverage can be found <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-isp-we-should-not-be-doing-afacts-work-091106/">here</a>) and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-barrister-tears-into-iinet-key-witnesses-091110/">here</a>.</p>
<p>The case continued in the Federal Court, with <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> continuing to make its closing submissions, marked by further attempts by barrister Tony Bannon to ruin the credibility of key iiNet witnesses Michael Malone and Steve Dalby.</p>
<p>Referring yet again to iiNet <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/ceo-michael/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with ceo michael">CEO Michael</a> Malone&#8217;s earlier and multiple assertions that his company could not disconnect subscribers on mere allegations from a 3rd party, Bannon pointed that Malone had earlier referred to the evidence collected by anti-<a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/piracy/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with piracy">piracy</a> tracking company DtecNet in a more positive light.</p>
<p>&#8220;But when asked the question in cross-examination, the truth is they regarded the notifications as compelling evidence,&#8221; said Bannon according to <a href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/160319,day-18-studios-call-for-federal-court-to-disregard-iinet-evidence.aspx">ITNews</a>.</p>
<p>Based on what Bannon tried to insist was a contradiction, that &#8220;compelling&#8221; and &#8220;mere allegations&#8221; were incompatible when referring to the same material, Bannon asked the judge to disregard iiNet&#8217;s evidence.</p>
<p>Although earlier information about DtecNet&#8217;s methods were revealed in a closed-court session, <a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/325873/afact_v_iinet_bittorrent_tracking_details_featured">CW</a> reports that the anti-<a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/piracy/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with piracy">piracy</a> company operated by downloading a portion of a file from iiNet subscribers while recording the IP address, the time of the transfer and the date, the protocol, the client id and a hash value. </p>
<p>Reiterating his earlier claims, Bannon insisted that chief regulatory officer Steve Dalby had deliberately exaggerated his claimed lack of understanding of <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/bittorrent/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with bittorrent">BitTorrent</a> and the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/infringement-notices/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with infringement notices">infringement notices</a> sent to iiNet by DtecNet. While Dalby had said that he had waited for <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> to send more information, in fact internal iiNet <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/email/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with email">email</a> evidence showed that Dalby had discouraged further investigation, he said.</p>
<p>Bannon went on to state that companies like iiNet benefit greatly from illicit file-sharing, since the activity consumes a lot of bandwidth &#8211; the commodity the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> sells to its customers.</p>
<p>Referring to an iiNet <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/press-release/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with press release">press release</a> from late 2008 where the company said it would defend the court case, Bannon said the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> had stated it could not disconnect a customer on a simple allegation. This, he said, amounted to assuring customers of their safety when carrying out illicit file-sharing.</p>
<p>Earlier in the case, iiNet claimed to have taken &#8220;reasonable steps&#8221; to deal with infringement on its network, an assertion roundly criticized by Bannon. The <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> barrister said that iiNet has a technique to limit a subscriber&#8217;s access to the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/internet/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with Internet">Internet</a> if they don&#8217;t pay their bills, so this could easily be applied when an allegation of illicit file-sharing is provided by his client.</p>
<p>Bannon also said that since Westnet, the company iiNet had earlier acquired, already had a system in place to notify infringers, it was a “nonsense” to say that iiNet hadn&#8217;t got the facilities to deal with <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> notices.</p>
<p>Bannon went on to tell the court that iiNet&#8217;s participation in discussions 4 years ago with the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/internet/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with Internet">Internet</a> Industry Association to create a code of conduct to deal with <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/copyright-infringement/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with copyright infringement">copyright infringement</a> allegations, also did not constitute &#8220;reasonable steps&#8221;, since it didn&#8217;t address the &#8220;day to day&#8221; problems. Furthermore, he said that the overall plan by the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isps/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isps">ISPs</a> was to aim at &#8220;doing nothing&#8221;.</p>
<p>Going on to strengthen his claim that iiNet &#8220;authorized and encouraged&#8221; the infringements of its customers, and in the face of iiNet failing to carry out any actions that could be described as &#8220;reasonable steps&#8221;, Bannon asserted that this meant that the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> effectively allowed its subscribers to do whatever they liked on their <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/internet/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with Internet">Internet</a> connection.</p>
<p>The case continues.</p>
<p>Article from: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com"><a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/torrentfreak/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with torrentfreak">TorrentFreak</a></a>, check out our new <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/blog/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with blog">blog</a> at <a href="http://freakbits.com">FreakBits</a>.</p>
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		<title>AFACT v iiNet: Half of All iiNet Traffic is BitTorrent</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It’s day eleven in the copyright infringement case of AFACT – representing several Hollywood studios – and Aussie ISP iiNet (earlier coverage of day one, day two, day three, day four , day five, day six, day seven, day eight, day nine, day ten. The case continued Wednesday in the Federal Court, with iiNet CEO [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/afact.jpg" alt="AFACT" align="right" />It’s day eleven in the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/copyright-infringement/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with copyright infringement">copyright infringement</a> case of <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> – representing several <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/hollywood-studios/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with hollywood studios">Hollywood studios</a> – and Aussie <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> iiNet (earlier coverage of <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-the-bittorrent-battle-begins-091006/">day one</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-bittorrent-piracy-claims-artificially-inflated-091007/">day two</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-3-studios-promoted-bittorrent-091008/">day three</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-4-bittorrent-deals-irrelevant-091009/">day four </a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-5-anti-piracy-tech-is-secret-091012/">day five</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-6-ip-address-alone-is-not-enough-091013/">day six</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-7-did-investigators-condone-infringement-091014/">day seven</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/">day eight</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-afact-attack-iinet-piracy-policy-091102/">day nine</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-pirates-will-be-cut-off-with-a-court-order-091103/">day ten</a>.</p>
<p>The case continued Wednesday in the Federal Court, with iiNet <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/ceo-michael/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with ceo michael">CEO Michael</a> Malone taking the stand for the third consecutive day.</p>
<p>Again <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> barrister Tony Bannon tried to portray iiNet as an encourager of <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/copyright-infringement/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with copyright infringement">copyright infringement</a> on its network, by referring to iiNet marketing where the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> measures bandwidth in terms of how much music or TV episodes people can download. Malone said the company did this simply to give a customer an easier barometer by which to measure their consumption.</p>
<p>When questioned on the music aspect, Malone said the company referred to legal downloads, such as those from <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/itunes/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with itunes">iTunes</a>. Bannon countered by saying this could not be the case, since iiNet did not count downloads from <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/itunes/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with itunes">iTunes</a> towards a customer&#8217;s bandwidth quota.</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.itwire.com/content/view/29061/53/">iTWire</a>, a welcome <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/email/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with email">email</a> from iiNet to new customers ended with, &#8220;Thanks for choosing iiNet. Happy downloading.&#8221;</p>
<p>By drawing attention to the above ponts, <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> hopes to show that iiNet encouraged infringements, thereby losing its safe habor protection as a carrier.</p>
<p>CW <a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/324971/afact_v_iinet_malone_would_prefer_illegal_downloaders_go_elsewhere">reports</a> that <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> presented press articles regarding the levels of <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/bittorrent/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with bittorrent">BitTorrent</a> transfers on the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/internet/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with Internet">Internet</a>, in the context of actions taken by <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isps/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isps">ISPs</a> in order to limit P2P traffic.</p>
<p>In one article, Malone had said that <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/bittorrent/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with bittorrent">BitTorrent</a> transfers accounted for around 50% of all <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/internet/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with Internet">Internet</a> traffic and admitted in court that <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/bittorrent/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with bittorrent">BitTorrent</a> had been used on iiNet&#8217;s network since it became available. He went on to agree that while much of this traffic involved the transfer of movies and TV shows, he didn&#8217;t feel that &#8220;..every young person in Australia is downloading illegally using <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/bittorrent/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with bittorrent">BitTorrent</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>One exchange apparently raised a laugh in the courtroom when Bannon accused Malone of attracting heavy-usage customers in order to boost iiNet profits.</p>
<p>&#8220;I would prefer [those customers] go to someone else and let someone else be sued,&#8221; <a href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/159742,day-13-iinet-ceo-says-bittorrent-dominates-traffic.aspx">said</a> Malone.</p>
<p>&#8220;And you&#8217;re happy to take their money in the meantime?&#8221; Bannon asked.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes,&#8221; he replied.</p>
<p>Yet again, Bannon raised the issue of iiNet&#8217;s failure to forward <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/copyright-infringement/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with copyright infringement">copyright infringement</a> allegations to its customers. However, an <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/email/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with email">email</a> presented from the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/internet/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with Internet">Internet</a> Industry Association&#8217;s Peter Coroneos, indicated that he was concerned that doing so could lead to an assumption that <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isps/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isps">ISPs</a> are responsible for the actions of their customers.</p>
<p>In the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/email/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with email">email</a> exchange with Malone, Coroneos said it would be preferable and advantageous for all involved if the content owners could provide some legal alternatives.</p>
<p>After Bannon showed the court documentation showing policies in place at rival <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isps/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isps">ISPs</a> to deal with allegations of <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/copyright-infringement/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with copyright infringement">copyright infringement</a>, Malone again confirmed that iiNet has no formal policy on how to deal with these type of allegations, noting that the company had yet to be presented with evidence of what he described as a &#8220;repeat infringer&#8221;.</p>
<p>Earlier in the case, Malone had defined a repeat infringer as one who had been proven as such by a court, but Bannon mocked Malone, asking if the iiNet CEO had just heard what he&#8217;d said and would he like to think about the question again for a moment.</p>
<p>Malone said he didn&#8217;t and Bannon <a href="http://www.smartcompany.com.au/legal/20091104-judge-questions-film-industry-evidence-in-iinet-case.html">accused him</a> of treating the proceedings as a game.</p>
<p>The case continues tomorrow.</p>
<p>Article from: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com"><a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/torrentfreak/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with torrentfreak">TorrentFreak</a></a>, check out our new <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/blog/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with blog">blog</a> at <a href="http://freakbits.com">FreakBits</a>.</p>
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		<title>AFACT v iiNet: Day 9 – AFACT Attacks iiNet Piracy Policy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It’s day eight in the copyright infringement case of AFACT – representing several Hollywood studios – and Aussie ISP iiNet (earlier coverage of day one, day two, day three, day four , day five, day six, day seven, day eight. Today, iiNet CEO Michael Malone was questioned at length over dealings he had with Westnet, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/afact.jpg" alt="AFACT" align="right" />It’s day eight in the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/copyright-infringement/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with copyright infringement">copyright infringement</a> case of <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> – representing several <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/hollywood-studios/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with hollywood studios">Hollywood studios</a> – and Aussie <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> iiNet (earlier coverage of <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-the-bittorrent-battle-begins-091006/">day one</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-bittorrent-piracy-claims-artificially-inflated-091007/">day two</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-3-studios-promoted-bittorrent-091008/">day three</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-4-bittorrent-deals-irrelevant-091009/">day four </a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-5-anti-piracy-tech-is-secret-091012/">day five</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-6-ip-address-alone-is-not-enough-091013/">day six</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-7-did-investigators-condone-infringement-091014/">day seven</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/">day eight</a>.</p>
<p>Today, iiNet <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/ceo-michael/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with ceo michael">CEO Michael</a> Malone was questioned at length over dealings he had with Westnet, another <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> which was acquired by his company for  AUS $81 million in May 2008. </p>
<p>Westnet had developed an automated system to pass on <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/infringement-notices/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with infringement notices">infringement notices</a> from copyright holders to its customers, a process which Malone earlier described as “making more work for no benefit,” and was said to be scathing in defense of due process and consumer rights.</p>
<p>“Taking the opposing argument, a random third party is lodging an unsubstantiated accusation against a customer and you’re passing it on?” wrote Malone in an <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/email/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with email">email</a> to Westnet, continuing, “Your current approach is doing damage to the industry and iiNet’s position on this matter.”</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/159564,day-eleven-iinet-chief-hit-the-roof-on-westnet-copyright-policy.aspx">itNews</a>, today Malone admitted he had &#8220;hit the roof&#8221; when he had discovered Westnet&#8217;s policy on <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/infringement-notices/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with infringement notices">infringement notices</a>. </p>
<p>When any company acquires another there is often a need to standardize procedures and policies, and with iiNet and Westnet the position was no different. Malone said that whenever he found differences in policies between the two companies he took steps to bring those of Westnet into line with those at iiNet. He also stated that he was unaware that Westnet had failed to follow his instructions and adopt iiNet group policy following the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/acquisition/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with acquisition">acquisition</a>.</p>
<p>One of the reasons he sought to change the Westnet policy, he said, was to bring the company into line with the position held by the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/internet/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with Internet">Internet</a> Industry Association on the issue.</p>
<p>Cross-examining Malone on iiNet&#8217;s role in providing a <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/broadband/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with broadband">broadband</a> service which enabled users to share movies using <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/bittorrent/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with bittorrent">BitTorrent</a>, senior counsel Tony Bannon for the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/movie-industry/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with movie industry">movie industry</a> referred to <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/infringement-notices/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with infringement notices">infringement notices</a> sent to iiNet for the Sony movie, Pineapple Express.</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/324584/afact_v_iinet_michael_malone_grilled_copyright_breach_policy">CW</a>, Malone responded that as a mere service provider, iiNet had no way of knowing if any of its customers were engaged in <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/copyright-infringement/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with copyright infringement">copyright infringement</a>, but could confirm that the individual who allegedly committed the breaches was still an iiNet customer.</p>
<p>The company was not aware, however, if the customer continued to breach copyright.</p>
<p>The case continues tomorrow.</p>
<p>Article from: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com"><a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/torrentfreak/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with torrentfreak">TorrentFreak</a></a>, check out our new <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/blog/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with blog">blog</a> at <a href="http://freakbits.com">FreakBits</a>.</p>
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		<title>AFACT v iiNet: Day 8 – AFACT Attacks iiNet Piracy Policy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It’s day eight in the copyright infringement case of AFACT – representing several Hollywood studios – and Aussie ISP iiNet (earlier coverage of day one, day two, day three, day four , day five, day six, day seven), day eight. Today, iiNet CEO Michael Malone was questioned at length over dealings he had with Westnet, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/afact.jpg" alt="AFACT" align="right" />It’s day eight in the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/copyright-infringement/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with copyright infringement">copyright infringement</a> case of <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> – representing several <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/hollywood-studios/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with hollywood studios">Hollywood studios</a> – and Aussie <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> iiNet (earlier coverage of <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-the-bittorrent-battle-begins-091006/">day one</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-bittorrent-piracy-claims-artificially-inflated-091007/">day two</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-3-studios-promoted-bittorrent-091008/">day three</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-4-bittorrent-deals-irrelevant-091009/">day four </a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-5-anti-piracy-tech-is-secret-091012/">day five</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-6-ip-address-alone-is-not-enough-091013/">day six</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-7-did-investigators-condone-infringement-091014/">day seven</a>), <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/">day eight</a>.</p>
<p>Today, iiNet <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/ceo-michael/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with ceo michael">CEO Michael</a> Malone was questioned at length over dealings he had with Westnet, another <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> which was acquired by his company for  AUS $81 million in May 2008. </p>
<p>Westnet had developed an automated system to pass on <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/infringement-notices/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with infringement notices">infringement notices</a> from copyright holders to its customers, a process which Malone earlier described as “making more work for no benefit,” and was said to be scathing in defense of due process and consumer rights.</p>
<p>“Taking the opposing argument, a random third party is lodging an unsubstantiated accusation against a customer and you’re passing it on?” wrote Malone in an <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/email/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with email">email</a> to Westnet, continuing, “Your current approach is doing damage to the industry and iiNet’s position on this matter.”</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/159564,day-eleven-iinet-chief-hit-the-roof-on-westnet-copyright-policy.aspx">itNews</a>, today Malone admitted he had &#8220;hit the roof&#8221; when he had discovered Westnet&#8217;s policy on <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/infringement-notices/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with infringement notices">infringement notices</a>. </p>
<p>When any company acquires another there is often a need to standardize procedures and policies, and with iiNet and Westnet the position was no different. Malone said that whenever he found differences in policies between the two companies he took steps to bring those of Westnet into line with those at iiNet. He also stated that he was unaware that Westnet had failed to follow his instructions and adopt iiNet group policy following the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/acquisition/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with acquisition">acquisition</a>.</p>
<p>One of the reasons he sought to change the Westnet policy, he said, was to bring the company into line with the position held by the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/internet/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with Internet">Internet</a> Industry Association on the issue.</p>
<p>Cross-examining Malone on iiNet&#8217;s role in providing a <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/broadband/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with broadband">broadband</a> service which enabled users to share movies using <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/bittorrent/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with bittorrent">BitTorrent</a>, senior counsel Tony Bannon for the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/movie-industry/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with movie industry">movie industry</a> referred to <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/infringement-notices/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with infringement notices">infringement notices</a> sent to iiNet for the Sony movie, Pineapple Express.</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/324584/afact_v_iinet_michael_malone_grilled_copyright_breach_policy">CW</a>, Malone responded that as a mere service provider, iiNet had no way of knowing if any of its customers were engaged in <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/copyright-infringement/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with copyright infringement">copyright infringement</a>, but could confirm that the individual who allegedly committed the breaches was still an iiNet customer.</p>
<p>The company was not aware, however, if the customer continued to breach copyright.</p>
<p>The case continues tomorrow.</p>
<p>Article from: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com"><a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/torrentfreak/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with torrentfreak">TorrentFreak</a></a>, check out our new <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/blog/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with blog">blog</a> at <a href="http://freakbits.com">FreakBits</a>.</p>
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		<title>AFACT v iiNet: BitTorrent Piracy Claims “Artificially Inflated”</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the second day of the case (report for day one here) AFACT presented the court with documents which it said showed internal emails between iiNet employees (including CEO Michael Malone) which discussed how to deal with copyright infringement notices. AFACT said that the email documents, which were seen by CW, show that the ISP [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/afact.jpg" alt="AFACT" align="right" />On the second day of the case (<a href="http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-the-bittorrent-battle-begins-091006/">report for day one here</a>) <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> presented the court with documents which it said showed internal emails between iiNet employees (including <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/ceo-michael/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with ceo michael">CEO Michael</a> Malone) which discussed how to deal with <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/copyright-infringement/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with copyright infringement">copyright infringement</a> notices.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> said that the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/email/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with email">email</a> documents, which were <a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/321298/iinet_afact_94_942_figure_artificially_inflated">seen by CW</a>, show that the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> could have done more to deal with the alleged infringements.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a>&#8217;s barrister, Tony Bannon, noted that iiNet training documents indicated that the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> knew its customers were using P2P networks, which he said showed the the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> knew what its customers were doing. Of course, just because iiNet knew the protocols or networks being used by its subscribers, it doesn&#8217;t necessarily follow that they knew the copyright status of material being transferred. Indeed, with <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/bittorrent/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with bittorrent">BitTorrent</a>, monitoring and identification (by, for example, using fingerprinting techniques) is almost impossible.</p>
<p>The emails, which were sent between iiNet <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/ceo-michael/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with ceo michael">CEO Michael</a> Malone and bosses of another <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a>, Westnet, which at the time was being acquired by iiNet, were said to <a href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/157650,day-two-iinet-westnet-email-trails-revealed.aspx">contain discussions</a> of how to deal with <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/infringement-notices/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with infringement notices">infringement notices</a>.</p>
<p>According to ITnews, Malone asked how Westnet dealt with these <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/infringement-notices/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with infringement notices">infringement notices</a>. Westnet had developed an automated system to pass on <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/infringement-notices/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with infringement notices">infringement notices</a> to its customers, a process Malone described as &#8220;making more work for no benefit.&#8221;</p>
<p>While Westnet said it was &#8220;acting with conscience&#8221; when it passed the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/infringement-notices/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with infringement notices">infringement notices</a> on to customers, Malone was said to be scathing in defense of due process and consumer rights.</p>
<p>&#8220;Taking the opposing argument, a random third party is lodging an unsubstantiated accusation against a customer and you&#8217;re passing it on?&#8221; wrote Malone in an <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/email/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with email">email</a>, continuing, &#8220;Your current approach is doing damage to the industry and iiNet&#8217;s position on this matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>After <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> ended its opening statements around lunchtime, the court heard those  from iiNet.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/richard-cobden/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with richard cobden">Richard Cobden</a> for the <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/isp/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with isp">ISP</a> characterized <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a>&#8217;s case as a “novel composition and adventurous” and “a dramatic extension of the application of the law”. He then went on to describe <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a>&#8217;s earlier allegations of 94,942 infringements as “artificially inflated by a contrived process”.</p>
<p>Cobden said that <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> incorrectly counted these infringements. According to CW, <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> counted the same infringements more than one &#8211; if it checked in the morning for infringements and then again in the afternoon, if the same infringement on an individual&#8217;s computer was still ongoing, <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a> counted it as another infringement, not a single extended one.</p>
<p>Tomorrow will see the end of iiNet&#8217;s opening arguments and then it will be <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/afact/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with afact">AFACT</a>&#8217;s turn to call its first witnesses.</p>
<p>This section of the case is scheduled to run for two weeks, then everyone will take a break for another two. The case will then conclude after a further two weeks of hearings.</p>
<p>Article from: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com"><a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/torrentfreak/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with torrentfreak">TorrentFreak</a></a>, check out our new <a href="http://www.werpirates.org/tag/blog/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with blog">blog</a> at <a href="http://freakbits.com">FreakBits</a>.</p>
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